Over the past month or so, many people in our course have proposed the question: do we live in an enlightened age? Based on the definition provided by Immanuel Kant, I find our answer to be a resounding no. Kant defines enlightenment as:
“Man’s emergence from his self imposed immaturity. Immaturity is the inability to use one’s understanding without guidance from another. This immaturity is self-imposed when its cause lies not in lack of understanding, but in lack of resolve and courage to use it without guidance from another.”
Furthermore, Kant attributes our failure to mature to the vices of laziness and cowardice specifically. Many students have argued that we do indeed live in an age of enlightenment, attributing their answers to our enhanced communication systems and our changing global world. However, I can’t help but look around and notice that not that much has changed over time, and our greedy struggle for power has continued for centuries and this ignorance of the fact still resonates today. The 1999 studio album by the politically motivated punk band NOFX was titled “The Decline”; it’s composed of one twenty minute track detailing the reasons our country is on a collision course towards a major decline.
I chose this song to support the fact that our society does not fit Kant’s definition of enlightenment in any of the facets outlined. Furthermore, I also claim that Kant’s contention that we do in face live in an age of enlightenment, with diminishing immaturity, is false as well. “The Decline” embodies all of the notions of a society that is indeed not enlightened whatsoever. It outlines the ignorance of our government as well as every day citizens. There is no question that pieces of our world such as technology and global communication have greatly changed over the past century. However, in a political and moral sense, our nation has been stagnate. Racism, ignorance, greed, and gluttony are still enormously present in daily life as we seem to make no attempts to change. We only want to make the appearance of change and the appearance of enlightenment. This song was produced before the second war in the gulf and still echoes pessimistic outlooks that have evolved after its release. As the lead singer of NOFX Fat Mike exclaims in his twenty minute ballot, “Aren’t ever asked, is anybody learning from the past? We’re living in United Stagnation.” The song continues to sarcastically call out our every day ignorance and inability to break through from this immaturity. This point is reiterated when Mike states “Don’t think (Stay), Drink your wine (Home), Watch the fire burn (Be), His problems not mine (Safe), Just be that model citizen.” Nowadays the “model citizen” is someone who sits back on regular basis and doesn’t challenge the injustices present in our society. We don’t question the rationality of our nation, instead we focus on being the best and our global image.
Later in the song, the band states that the status of our nation starts “with assumption, that a million people are smart, smarter than one.” This lyric echoes the teachings of Socrates that speak of truth over majority. Our system is flawed and we as the citizens of the United States are not being properly represented. Our representative form of government has created a system in which those in charge want to keep as much information from you as possible in order to secure their own intentions. This is echoed in “The Decline” when they state “They’re betting you won’t care.” In other words, they are speaking of those in office who depend on our daily immaturity and refusal to gain the courage to question their actions.
Finally, let’s take a look at the conclusion of this quite long ballot against American ignorance and greed:
“The human, existence, Is failing, resistance
Essential, the future, Written off, the odds are, Astronomically against us
Only moron and genius, Would fight a losing battle
Against the super ego, When giving in is so damn comforting
And so we go, on with our lives, We know the truth, but prefer lies
Lies are simple, simple is bliss, Why go against tradition when we can
Admit defeat, live in decline, Be the victim of our own design
The status quo, built on suspect, Why would anyone stick out their neck?
Fellow members, of Club “We’ve Got Ours”
I’d like to introduce you to our host, He’s got his, and I’ve got mine
Meet the decline”
These words began to play over and over again in my head as I contemplated whether or not we lived in an enlightened age. This passage embodied all of the faults Kant describes in man; our cowardice, our lack of will, our ignorance as well as our inherent laziness. Everyone takes care of themselves and sits back and watches the rest be demolished by those with cruel intentions. NOFX begs the question, why would anyone stick out their necks? I think Kant provides a sufficient answer in his detailing of breaking out of immaturity and expressing our independent thoughts and visions. However, I, along with NOFX, do not feel that our nation has broken from this tradition of immaturity whatsoever.
In conclusion, I’ve shared this song in relation to Kant’s What is Enlightenment to give the perspective that maybe not only is our nation not yet enlightened, but maybe we are in fact far from it. While punk music is often overlooked in the overall realm of influential music, I think NOFX has the ability to speak to the youth of our nation while at the same time being able to write lyrics that successfully question the weaknesses of our nation. This band has been playing for over twenty years and almost their entire collection of music echoes political plights and represents the voice of those who simply cannot take it anymore. While many of you may not agree with this perspective, it is important to see situations from all sides and I hope you get the time to look into the musical views of one of my favorite bands in relation to the political writings we have gone over this semester.
nice work! It’s nice to know that my lyrics mean something to some people. Thanks for the props, Fat Mike
you have no idea how much your music means to your fans keep fighting the goof fight!
Great read! always a nice trip Mike thx for all the years of fun!
Thanks for 20 years of theme music to my life. So many great show’s. Sometime I feel like you guy’s are the only one’s out there that really know whats going on. Hope you guys never quit! “Start a pattern of behavior; I see no reason to stop”
Mike, if you and the band would like hang around, with some local colombians, when your in Bogota, contact me.
It could turn out cool.
juliancho100@hotmail.com
Bonjour gros Michel!
As a politician and punk rock fan, i think that the answer to Kant and “the decline” is…
And who the fuck are you, anyway?
Who the fuck are they?
Who the fuck am I to say?
What the fuck is really going on???
I think we need more politicians to listen to NOFX, BR and Propagandhi…(even if those pricks seems to be mad at you for now…)
…but dont forget that even punk rock got some rules…rules and laws create some injustices because they are made for the goodwill of the majority over you as an individual…it cant be something else because our human nature obviously prefer liberty before equality…laws and rules are made to protect the liberty of individuals…so US government and Bush or Obama bomb those who dont understand our rules…do Germany and Japan feel much better now??…Yes, we are actually learning from the past…it’s pretty scary and fucked up!!…Imagine if China got is own definition of enlightened age…
So Richtejo, as a politician im saying Yes to Kant that we are living in an enlightened age as we always were and always will be…but in opposition, as an individual and a punk rock fan, im saying also Yes to Fat Mike that we are living in an declined age as we always were and always will be…it depends on the perspectives…
One thing for sure…we need more leaders like Immanuel Kant and Mike Burkett!
Our human nature, it’s all the same…We spend our lives in the pursuit of happiness…
Hi Mike do you think that “The Declin” feeds on pholosophers? When you wrote that song did you think about them?
thank you
Pierrick
! love the fact that a high school formed punk band has not only become an american music icon of our times but is finding its way into our mainstream college political forums. It’s been a great ride for over twenty years listening to yall. Keep enlightning our youth, their is always time for change as long as we have bands willing to stick out their necks for the unheard. I’m still waiting for yall to make it to San Antonio, Texas. There are many here that also didn’t agree with Bush !!!(ha,Ha)
No, thank you fat mike.
As I can see it, as a foreign
America is not paying attention to years of mistakes
The rest of the world can’t believe how blind american people are… Just a few can see the decline.
Wake up, people!!!
Stop fearing
Stop putting your fate on fairy tales
Evolve
Nice post, and yeah Mike, your songs do mean much to some of us. Thanks
i’ve listened to this song hundred of times.
i know each word. nofx songs makes people think about our society and stuff
That is one of Professor Burkett’s best.
The “Death of John Smith” is also another classic piece in the history of American writing.
Agree, “Death of John Smith” is way underrated. Never heard ‘em play it either…
I live my life by NOFX songs….”Go to work wasted”, “You Drink, You Drive, You Spill”, “Seein Double at the Triple Rock”, “I wanna be an Alcoholic”… Inspired philosophical nuggets
In fact, NOFX not only helps me with my beverage choices, they have useful insights into love and relationships aswell…. “Hotdog in a Hallway”, “See Her Pee”, “Liza and Louise”, “Louise”, “Eddie, Bruce and Paul”, “The Pharmacist’s Daughter”, “Buggly Eyes”… Thanks Fat Mike, your lyrics have kept me drunk and single for years.
i second that!
Way to miss the point, buddy.
I disagree with the author that NOFX’s entire catalague “echoes political plights”, but the essay is about one particular song. And that one song is brilliantly written and worthy of discussion.
It’s startling how many NOFX fans seem to be bereft of a sense of humour.
I can hardly disagree that Kant would be very disappointed with the world we now live in. If we consider his proposals about perpetual peace, then there is no way around facing the fact that we are still deeply divided, specially by the borders of our nations. I am also a HUGE fan of NOFX, so I guess that nowadays Fat Mike would go a little bit further. The demise of “our nation” (not mine), come on … Kant knew better than this. We are all citizens of the world, climate change is here to keep anyone from arguing against this FACT. By any measure what so ever, people around the world are way better off. Perpetual peace is not within sight, but there is no doubt that the hundreds of millions Indians, Chinese and Brazilians (why not) that now live much better lives would say that we are, at least, walking towards an enlightened age. One where we will still need to put up with some immaturity, one where the very improvement in the quality of live for this people means trouble, due to the fact that there are six billion of us. The problems that we will face, we will face it as one. So, there’s no point in remembering the “America that we thought was number one, thought would overcome, thought would never die.” that Fat Mike proposes in NOFX latest album. And after all, given the fact that a drunk and perverted guy like him is the author of these few verses, that express such deep ideas, isn’t it enough for us to consider that some progress has been made.?
NOFX songs also provide career advice… “Freedom Like a Shopping Cart”, “Scavenger Type”, “Suits and Ladders”, “The Agony of Victory”, “Linoleum”…. the band basically outlines a 12 step program to escape your quiet suburban family life afforded by your cushy corporate office job and become a sexually frustrated alcoholic hobo.
Clearly Rick Cottier cannot pick up on satire. I’m assuming your one of those people who cannot go to stand up comedy because they take everything seriously and get offended at every joke.
Uh Derek, maybe you shouldn’t push the Q-Tips in so hard next time. I’m taking the piss bud! I know the world’s ending and all, but seriously man, lighten up.
For instance, to keep it light today, I’m gonna chill to that live album they put out last year. Then, afterwork, I’m gonna hit the ice for a little hockey and then, quite possibly, I’m gonna go home and get drunk and high…. that’s how you deal with the demise of our nation right there.
excellent writing. completely correct. there never been more evidence of a decline than in recent years. i have read countless articles about the immaturity and stagnant nature of people in the world. the first step towards enlightenment is understanding.
i highly recommend everyone who reads this article to check out the venus project. at first glance it may just appear to be the wishes for a utopian society but when you look deeper you will find that it is much more. a non monetary system based on ridding the world of scarcity and providing abundance for everyone. through the venus project humanity can find true enlightenment.
http://thevenusproject.com/
the bourgeoisie is the imperialism.
We know the thruth but prefer lies.. Lies are simple ..Simple is bless
Surfer is my fave 7″ever
This is by far the best NOFX song ever. This really explains the way I feel about the song and the nation! WAY TO GO!
Am I the only one shivering (in a good way of course)while listening to this song?
Speak to our youth, yea about drug addicted clowns and over weight lesbians. I love their music, and Fat Mike is a really nice guy but they aren’t to be taken seriously.
Check out http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com
It’s a very logical approach to resolving the problems discussed here.
Oh yeah, love the essay.
Brett-Thanks for the props, that zeitgeist site looks real interesting, i found myself on it for over an hour before.
Ray- Do not think that I am not completely aware of the comedic aspect of NoFX. However, to say that they’re lyrics aren’t to be taken seriously, especially in relation to The Decline (have you actually heard it?), is absolutely absurd. Give it a real listen and you might find that this wacky guy we all call Fat Mike has been displaying sharp and consequently important insight for over twenty years now.
No it’s not absurd. The Decline is a good song, but if you take it too seriously it’s pretty depressing. It’s basically about giving up hope for a better day because people won’t stick out their necks and will be content with what they have for fear of losing it, regardless of injustice. Depending on how you take it, that could be a call for people TO stick their necks out, or it could be an admission that despite any idealism, courage, or determination one might have, in the end you will be forced to either live in decline or be a martyr.
Also, while NOFX and Bad Religion have good tunes and are full of righteous energy, I’ve yet to hear anything really useful or inspiring from either of them. Mostly their really whiney. On the other hand, Dropkick Murphys is much more practical in their outlook, as they see problems, but also offer encouragment to be a man and tough it out and not give in to fear not matter how bleak your outlook.
Rick-
What is absurd is your reference to a bunch of hipocrytical,CATHOLIC, alcoholics for insight on making a difference. I think that richtejo should look into writing an article on how religious dogma is one of the main factors keeping humanity immature. Im not sure how old you are, Rick, but you need to take a harder look at what is at the center of 90% of these problems. Your reply was and is completely absurd and I think you have a little maturing to do yourself.
where are all the stupid people from….
….and how’d they get to be so dumb
well done! the lyrics were trapped in my head almost right away> that cd is a masterpiece in my opinion
I have been a number one NOFX fan for almost 10 years now. They have inspired me to make my own music and even sing like fat mike for many years until people told me I sound too much like him haha. I also sent a demo to fat wreck recently.
The Decline is a masterpiece. I am greatful that I own the LP of it on vinyl. It’s my favourite song out there and is probably most big nofx’s fan’s favourite as well. I don’t blame them. This is a great article it outlines and really clarifies “The Decline”. It’s not just the lyrics that are brilliant but the moods that surround the singing which sharpen what these words are expressing.
Good stuff. I think I might have to listen to the decline right this moment…Bye.
http://www.myspace.com/evancatalano
Fat Mike will probably be very surprised with the importance of NOFX between scholars, in universities, etc.
BTW, I tried do use a quote of “Don’t Call Me White” in the epigraph of my Master’s dissertation but my adviser didn’t alow me. Damn.
As a Canadian well into his 40′s, listening to the Decline for the first time several years ago was a revelation! The problems of North American society wrapped up in 18 minutes flat! I was absolutely stunned! 20 years for a dime. With all the crime we have! Fat Mike, you are indeed a drunk, high, genius!
And Rick Cottier…ha ha. You are funny!!! But I have to go, got something stickin’ in my eye…something stickin’ in my eye…and I gotta pee, gotta pee, gotta pee…
Rollover and shake and beg for the bone… leave it alone.
To Doug S – Thanks for the laughs, knew a fellow Canuck would get the joke
To Brandon – Whoa there boy, easy on the personal attacks there, eh? Just tryin’ to have a discussion.
So, since I’m clearly immature and have yet to aquire your level of wisdom, what exactly is at the center of 90% of problems? (it’s not taffy is it?)
On the Murphys – Catholic, alcoholic…. whatever. Fact is the Murphys’ message is basically stand up strong, provide for the people you love and try to spend as much time with them as you can, ’cause tommorow they might be gone. If that’s dogma, count me in.
Rick-
First off, Im sorry if my reply came across as a personal attack. Let me explain a little better if I may.
As pointed out above, “Elightenment is man’s emergence from his self imposed immaturity. Immaturity is the inability to use one’s own understanding without guidence from another…” If you think that this does not directly coincide with religious dogmatism you are wrong. If you look at studies of countries that are the least religious you will find that they are the wealthiest, most successful, and socially advanced countries in the world. I suggest “Society Without God”, by Phil Zuckerman for further insight. While the Murphys have a good message for working hard with your fellow skin in the hood, rich wrote an essay on our nation’s elightenment as a whole. The United States is far from it. But, if I could borrow a line “Dinosaurs will slowly die, and I do believe no one will cry”. I relish the thought of the old way of thinking fading out and a new way of thought taking over. Im glad that this essay has sparked this much debate. Bottom line: its obvious that we all love punk rock and like to think for ourselves. By the way, you cant spell “prick” without “rick”. hehehe (i couldnt resist)
Alright Bud, I think I can tease two main points from your post.
First, the Murphys’ message is fine for “working hard with your fellow skin in the hood” while the Decline is more concerned with Rich’s topic, “our nation’s elightenment as a whole”. This contributes to the discussion begun in the post from Rich on December 24, 2009 at 12:45 pm: Is the Decline to be taken seriously?
I gather you would say yes. I would agree, but with the caveat that the song suggests no alternative to living in decline. Furthermore, I contend that while you would not find any such alternative anywhere in the NOFX discography, you do find it in the Murphys. I would offer “Road of the Righeous” as an example. “It’s gonna take some footwork to get you on your way. There’ll be pitfalls and some catcalls but hard you must persist. Life is so precious and we’ve only got one shot. You move along and stay God-strong, all treasures will be got”. In short, the alternative to living in decline is maintaining a stoic-perseverence in the face of national and even global demise. From “Tommorow’s Industry”, “The weight falls hard on the stand-up guy… This is your future, it don’t seem right, but this is your battle this is your fight. Something in this country’s gotta change if we’re ever gonna see those days again.” While NOFX seems to advocate throwing up your hands and laughing at our lack of enlightenment, the Murphys’ counter that you ought to face the world and do the best you can despite the awful inequities and injustices.
Second, you propose the world would be better without God. I would say yes and no. Yes, God-FEARING people, such as maybe George Bush, worsen our situation by spreading that fear. But no, God-LOVING people, such as maybe the Murphys or Bob Marley, help our situation by spreading that love.
So, phew, that’s a whole lotta words, hope somebody finds ‘em interesting.
Rick-
I think I’m starting to like you. Every time I get in front of my computer I have something new. In the newest EP from NOFX Fatty calls out that “its time to redefine what we call neigborhood, and start to trust your neigbors”. How about Re-gaining Unconsciousness “now with our conversations tapped and our differences exposed, how are you supposed to love your neigbor with our minds and curtains closed?” Oh, and my personal favorite” Kill all the white man”. hehehe. The first three pages of the booklet in “The war on Errorism” is dedicated to what we should do to try and make a change. People can love god all they want, but even when their love is mediocore, and they place their vote on a religious doctrine, it is not helping anyone. Murphys,i.e.catholics, vote against things such as stem cell research, abortion, and other government social programs. Bob Marley was a Rastafarian, a mysogonistic, afrocentristic, homophobe. People who love god, get that love from a religious doctrine. EVERY religious doctrine gives people a reason to hate. No matter how much they think it doesnt. It always descriminates. Take god out of the equation and you are on the fast track to enlightenment. No more what is “Good or Evil” just basic human rights. Im sure that I dont need to go into all the NOFX songs explaining that. Im sure we all know them. While, “you ought to face the world and do the best you can despite the awful inequities and injustices” is good advice, I’ll do you one better, “MURDER THE GOVERNMENT”.
hehe. Thanks for everything Rick. You seem like a great person and if we ever met Im sure we could argue for hours. This is great.
On Dogmatic Lefties- Yah know, it’s scary how dogmatic punk rock fans and lefties in general have become. When did punk rock become so closed minded? Mysoginist racist homophobes can’t spread love? There’s only one right side to the abortion/stem cell debate? Aetheists can’t be against abortion, hate whites, cheat on their wives and gay bash? Anyone who has anything critical to say about the “Terrordrome Megamix” and NOFX must be immature and hasn’t listened to/understood the lyrics? Rednecks are the ’cause of the Decline of our nation? The intellectual liberals had nothing to do with it?
On Good, Evil and Human Rights – There is no good, evil or human rights. It’s all perspective. A mouse thinks it’s against his mouse rights to get eaten by an owl. He thinks it’s evil ’cause mice are good. Pro-lifers think it’s evil to abort a fetus cuz it has human rights. Pro-choicers think it’s evil to tell a woman she doesn’t have the human right to have an abortion. How would the elimination of God change this debate? You really think they’d all change their minds if they were aetheists? Would the Pro-choicers change their minds if they believed in God (not the dogma, just the idea)? What if someone is an aetheist and against abortion? What dogma would guide an aetheist to that opinion?
I’m curious to know why religion and ignorance are inseperable for so many punk rockers. Maoist China and Soviet Russia were both vicously aetheist, but their citizens kept faith in secret rebellion. Were they just ignorant of the virtues of aetheism?
I’d contend Mike and most lefties follow a doctine of their own. Is “You’re Wrong” to be taken seriously? Seems like someone who agrees with Mike is a “thinking person” and soemone who doesn’t is an “ignorant redneck”. Is it tongue-in-cheek or is Mike really that closed minded?
Keep it rollin’ Brandon, those are all legit questions, and I’m interested in your answers. (dano’s just a troll, he’s probably a Habs fan)
Rick-
I almost forgot, I hope that in no way do you think that I feel the Murphys are not talented. I have listened to them for a long time. I do enjoy their music. I just have some different ideals than they do. That’s all. Thanks again man!
rick and brandon need to get a life.
yea i know. give me a break man, its snowy outside and Im on holliday break. Im getting stir crazy.
i appreciate all of the feedback fellas, keep it coming
Thank you for this great article/blog. I personally have been waiting to see something like this. And thank you for mentioning one of the most influential punk bands of our time. They influence me also, especially in my beliefs and lyrics.
-Dan
http://www.myspace.com/explicitbombers
nice work finally nofx getting some well desreved recognition
Amorica baby. NOFX rules your mom, and my mom.
By the by, I’m just curious, what does it take to make a congressional convention? I think we need one, whatever it is. I hear they exist, but has there ever been one? Let’s do it! (Whatever it is…)
Ray, you obviously havent met fat mike cause if you had youd realize he isnt a nice guy. hes actually a bit of a prick. but an amazing musician and song writer.
Thanks alot for this. It’s nice to know that there is someone who sees what a genius Mike is.
Alot of people piss me of by saying NOFX is immature punkrock withour any good lyrics. That is probably because NOFX has a load of comical songs. Such as Bob, The moron brothers, I wanna be an alcoholic or some of the newer ones such as Cokie the Clown.
These are the songs people recall, because they’re understandable and funny. So they see NOFX as a comical punkrock band.
Although NOFX has a great sense of humor they also see what is going on in the world. So they write many songs with good lyrics and a good message wich is sometimes hard to understand or find out. Especially when you are not American yourself like me. But there are plenty of songs about serious topics such as politics, drugs, prostitution and racism with a sharp opinion. And i think people need to listen to them first before criticizing NOFX.
Thats all.
Nice essay bro, but what I liked the most was that even though is mainly focuse in USA (Don’t like the term American couse thats a hole continent not a country or a nationality) is a vision applicable to the world in general. Props.
And yes,. NOFX is a great band
NOFX has been my favorite band for 20 years now. It’s crazy to me that a majority of people can’t see the light. The Decline is definitly a great song. Even better live! If you are ever lucky enough to catch them sing it. I did Las Vegas house of blues. They opened with it!! Thanks Mike, Melvin, Hefe, and Sandin!
Rick-
Unfortunately owls are not genetically hardwired to think philosophically about harming mice. Humans are. Absolutely, there can, and probably are, atheists who are pro-life,etc.(Im sure you would be hardpressed to find some, but never the less, stranger things have happened). The point I want to make though, is that atheists dont make moral decisions on bronze age myth. “You’re wrong about virtues of christianity”, is in my eyes, a dead on statement. Nowhere in the bible is the word moral. People who are atheist tend to do good, “for goodness sake.” Not good for fear of what will happen when they die. The bible argues from authority and I think that rather cheapens the idea of ‘loving thy neighbor’. Lenin and Mao did what they did in the name of political ideology, not in the name of atheism. Have you ever heard of any atrocities commited in the name of atheism? What about in the name of god? Well let’s see. How about the midieval, spanish, portuguese, and Roman inquisistion? Or, how about, the Salem Witch Trials? (Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live). How about the Holocaust? “I believe today that my conduct is in accordance with the will of the almighty creator.”-Adolph Hitler “I am now as before a catholic and will always remain so.” -Adolph Hitler Sure, there might be a few rotten apples on the atheism side, but for the most part, they dont have a doctrine telling them to hate. I dont hate religious people. I hate when they try to influence policy because they think god will punish them if they dont. Point blank, religion is a private thing and it needs to remain that way. As humans evolve, our morals need to evolve also. Old ways of thinking hold societies back. “You’re wrong, and you’ll probably never know.”
Music is a vice for me, I indulge in all, but punk has been a main constant for 24 years now and will until I leave this mortal coil. When asked what is my favourite song? I always spurt, “I don’t have a favourite song, that’s an insane question, oh wait, yeah I do, The Decline.”
A well voiced text which is only too proven by the amount of dialogue evoked, Well done comrade!!
I also want to add something that I think Rick is trying to coax out of me. I do think that punk rockers can and tend to be closed minded, thus defeating the purpose of punk rock. I gravitate toward band such as NOFX and Bad Religion because they are a voice of what I figured out for myself. They may have influenced in the begining, but you should NEVER take things at face value. Put down the xbox controller and read a book for fucks sake. If you dont think for yourselves, you are just contributing to the immaturity of our nation. I knew a guy named Dano. He used to fill those KFC buckets with quickcrete and watch cars try to run over them. hahaha
Thank you. Wonderful read during my morning of procrastination.
RC wrote: “The band basically outlines a 12 step program to escape your quiet suburban family life afforded by your cushy corporate office job and become a sexually frustrated alcoholic hobo.”
That’s funny … I have what some might call a cushy corporate office job and I am a sexually frustrated alcoholic hobo.
OK I rent a shitty apartment, but my livelihood is under constant threat — always has been. Having a job doesn’t make you a Republican. The Decline resonates with me because I’m constantly torn between being true to myself and doing what I have to do to survive in this cold, capitalist country.
If only all of us could be brilliant punk rock stars. Fat Mike expresses himself freely and is rewarded instead of punished. He seems to have very healthy relationships with his loved ones, and that’s the most important thing, isn’t it?
Thanks Fat Mike for giving us hope and something to aspire to. I’m finally getting to a point where I might be able to climb out of this corporate hell and work toward doing something I can respect myself for, as a living … your music is the soundtrack to my struggle.
Richtejo,
I must say that I fully enjoyed this bit of an essay. Although, I’m not well versed in Kants political and social philosophies (I’m more of a physical science kind of guy), I’ve always felt very close to how you do about NOFX’s “The Decline”. Basically what I’m saying is when a buddy and I had first heard this song, we spent hours taking the song apart and discussing the socio-political messages laden withing this close-to-20-minute song. This song was and is a huge deal to me and a couple of my friends. It’s refreshing to read that someone enjoys/takes as much out of this masterpiece of a punk rock song as I (along with my friends) do.
Well done and Take Care,
Kevin
By reading your comments, I see that some of you think that there’s only one truth in one thing. It is not this way that you can see the world we are living in. There are a lot of truth, not one. When a writter, a painter, a musician, a comedian do something nobody can see just one thing because everybody have a story, a life, a culture that’s different from other people, so they saw what they know. Knowledge is one truth, but not THE truth, there is also experience and a lot of other stuff. That’s why people can’t agree.
I have my truth, it’s different from yours.
NOFX say things that I understand in my way but it is maybe not in the way that Fat Mike would like me to understand them, he got his life his experience I got mine.
NOFX came in my life at a time I was lost, they show me a way I had liked and so I’m there, thank you Mike, Eric, Erik, Hefe.
Pierrick
Fat Mike yes you are for sure a master at your craft indeed! As much as I love your lyrics I also love your music you put down with it. For that I say hats off to the band. To be with your buds this long and still keepiing it real is unheard of in your indistry.Yall have given generations songs that share insight to experiences in life most of us would not otherwise see. My boyfriend now husband turned me on to yall a good 20plus years ago and this last summer our 6yr old grandson (yes,grandson!)couldnt get enough of Coaster. At least I know one of the next generation will give thought to words he hears. I only hope he will be able to voice his thoughts with the stand up ,witty,see it for what it is style to make your work worth it .Just maybe, bands like nofx are leading in the forward change of our youth wich will result in the change of of our nations views.Thanks for giving so much of yourselves to those who are hungry for change and not heard. You give us all a voice. Also. to Fat Mikes wife; he’s has been to have said that the band has no sex appeal. Wrong!, attituded is everything. With Fat Mike a squeezable, edible,bad boy,front guy for the band I think I see what you possiblly saw. Yeah, very do-able in a fun ,do me kind a way. I only can “imagine” Yeah,been married as long as yall have been a band. I say there is sex appeal! Keep the music cumming many a green ear out their!Hope to hear that S.A.Texas will be on a tour destination soon. We love our NOFX here in the south! Later.
Can’t get enough of my FOFX!
no excuses for that f’d up type o……I say, I can’t get enough of my NOFX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
COOL… NOFX IS COMING TO COLOMBIA THIS YEAR!!!
HAHAHA!!! VIVA SOUTH AMERICA!
REALLY REALLY DECLINE IS A GREAT SONG… AND I THINK IT TALKS ABOUT THE DECLINE OF THE TWIN TOWERS…
LIKE KIND OF PROPHETIC…
nofx being one of my fav bands i would tend to agree with you on the fact that we are moving into a decline but the fact that we have the ability to write these papers and sing songs like the decline to open the eyes of these “inmature” people also leads me to belive we are living in a while not complitly enlightened word a much more enlightened world then our predisesours lived in at least we have the ability to know we are being lied too.
i love U fat mike !!!!!!
i dont mind about you nort americans
because you dont mind about the world and another nations and another people
NOFX AND BRASIL ARE THE BEST
SEE YA IN THE PIT
i was just having a think about nofx and philosophy. indeed they are a pretty “philosophical” band, strangely, they are one of the goofiest punk bands to exist. BR could probably never make me laugh out loud but nofx and BR go hand in hand.
i agree with the person who said we are in an enlightened age and a decline age. society as a whole has never been perfect, never will be, but i think it’s been much worse in the past. we could tie this discussion in to the south park episode “a little bit country.” i see hypocrisy more than stupidity. we would frown upon the spanish inquisition, yet the US does some similar stuff… ie Guantanamo Bay.
The Decline is simply amazing. Coaster also delivers.
I really liked your thread about this, and I’ve seen a few more like it recently – the best part about yours is, it’s very informative and useful and full of good information without a bunch of usless rants and BS!
I’ll be sure to give this URL to some friends
Thanks Again
I love Mr. Fat Mike